Sent in by Bruce Urban, CPS, CPL, CJS - Stamford, CT
|Amsec CF6528 Amvault|
|Bischoff TRTL30X6 make in South Africa|
|Chubb via Owe Bengtsson -
Comments: The safe is Chubb, the locks are S&G Prima (formerly known as the C.L.O.C.K.) Clock meant combination lock operated by changeable keys. Those crazy Swedes don't want those cheesy British locks. Phil
|Chubb 6K174 used on the
Chubb Isolator. |
There were a number imported into the US with the Chatwood label as well as the Chubb label.
Scrape marks on Chubb 6K174
This is a view of the inside of the Chubb 6K174 keylock. The black marks you see are the scrape marks that the key made when turning inside the lock and rubbing against the levers. You can get a pretty good idea of what the key should look like by viewing the scrape marks.
|Chubb 6K75 Lock|
I thought this was a nice photo of a 6K75 8 lever. It uses a curtain, but I took the photo with it removed. Hope it's of some interest.
Wesley Taylor - Belfast, Ireland
|Chubb Euro Grade 2 Safe via Wesley Taylor - Belfast, Ireland|
|Chubb Eurosafe (outside)|
Chubb Eurosafe (inside)
Sent in by Wesley Taylor - Belfast, Ireland
|Chubb Isolator - 3 lock
Isolator - |
Photo sent in by Todd Kern
Response by Martin Newton - Burgess Hill, Sussex, England
Todd, the top lock is an additional & independant fit it has nothing to do with the isolater ! For what it is worth I opened one recently in the Tower of London & when I first saw it I was thrown ! The end result is that the safe will not open untill all 3 are open but the top & bottom can be opened independently of the middle. Then I guess you knew that. Cheers Marty
with Lagard 2441- via Barry Weissman
|City Safe - via Dave
Carl does have some interesting safes, here's a sample. You may see this in the near future--the safe that is. You've heard of implants right? Which dial is an implant (fake-not used) right or left? How much do you think this safe sells for?
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|Collier Vault Opening|
The vault turned out to be a Collier which I expected to have glass. The door is a left hand hinge using S&G transmissions vault locks mounted right hand. With access only to the hinge side I had to drill through the lockbolt side of the case to scope the combination since they do not use vault locks with a change key hole in the back cover. Since the body was 1/2" steel, I used my electro-magnetic rig.
Phil Shearer - Lock Defeat Technology
|Diebold ATM |
Thought someone may be interested in the unit I opened today. It is one of Diebolds latest ATMs. If the relock fires, it blocks both the handle cam and the locking bolt.
|Diebold Canonball opened
by Mike Potter |
It's cool the way they have one dial pull out or push in to operate two comb locks.
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|Duravault by A. Koronios|
Richard Reichert, Major Lock & Glass
|FAS lock- scope view|
Monopole or "pump" lock - Scope View|
Posted by Skip Eckert on March 14, 1998 at 17:31:50:
Both Tom & Ron are correct it is a Fichet Monopole or "pump" lock. Fichet is a French company, still in business but not importing any safes into the U.S. currently. The monopole is Fichet's standard keylock and was used on most of the better safes they imported into the U.S. The various models I have seen a lot of here are the Bastile (TRTL30X6) the Biltmore (TL30)and the Defiant (TL15). Other more rare models were the Arden, Chambord, Chatelle, Enterprise, Cobra, Carat and "Period" safes like the Louis XV. Recently I have seen the Fichet name on some imported safes that are not made by Fichet. I think someone bought the rights to the Fichet name in the U.S. and can stick it on anything they want... not sure though. Fichet also has their own combination locks. The Mono-Command has seven numbers. The C2C has four and they have a "3 counter or clicker" which has only three numbers. They are all very different from the type of comb locks we see over here.
|Gross Feibel Vault|
Inside photo (1)
Inside photo (2)
Posted by Skip Eckert on March 15, 1998 at 13:21:24:
Hadikan is made in Isreal and Mosler used to put their name on this safe and called it their high security safe. The keylock is a Maurer and Phil sells some cheezy tools which decode these and some other Mauer keylocks. The comb lock is best dealt with by drilling a hole in the side and looking into the change key hole with a 90 degree scope. Can't drill the door as it has glass. I have heard that Hadikan had some trouble with the fine teeth on the gears "jumping" and throwing the timing off on the bolts. I don't know if Hadikan is still in business or not but I don't think anyone is importing them anymore.
Sent in by Skip Eckert
Posted by Skip Eckert on March 14, 1998 at 18:03:17: In Reply to: Re: What Kind of Safe Is Phil Dying On - 2? - Photo posted by .R.Jewell on March 14, 1998 at 17:44:43: Correct Ron! Phil is dying on an ISM Treasury which has a UL rating of TRTL 30X6. For a long time ISM had a large piece of the high security safe market. I think this was partly because there was very little competition and partly because most high security safes are sold to jewelers and many Jewelers are Jewish and ISM is made in Isreal. ISM stands for Isreal Safe Manufactures. The top of their line was the Super Diamond (TXTL 60) Next was the Diamond Vault (TRTL 30X6) then the Treasury (TRTL 30X6) next the Jewelers (TRTL 15x6) then the Cash Vault & Jewel Guard (TL30) and the Advantage (TL15). In more recent years they have added to the line to try and compete with the influx of inexpensive & CHEAP safes from other countries. ISM was one of the first and best high security safes. An interesting side note: The Treasury in the picture is the only one (smallest size) that does not have three relocks, it only has two. All larger sizes had three. skip
| J &
J Taylor vault door|
Stanley Pogson - Auckland, - New Zealand -
| Johan Olsen Vault|
The Door is from the Johan Olsen Safe Factory from Norway. The factory was established in 1874. They manufacture High security safes, Vaultdoors and ATM-safes. This door has four 4-wheel combinatin locks and the locks work in pairs. i.e.one of the pairs stand as reserve for the other pairs. The door is approved in INSTA 610 with 7147 point of protection value. The model number is 8741.
Owe Bengtsson - Gothenburg, Sweden
| Kaso Safe (burglarized)|
The safe is a KASO from Finland and the lock is Kromer Convar from Germany. The burgelers use nitro in the key hole There is 2 lock, the one in the upper possition are mounted upside down. There is a glassplate covering whole inside of the door, 4 crosslocking relockers. The body of the safe is made of casting stainless steel so it´s a perfect safe for the vacuum drill rig. One hole can take from 45 min to 1.5 hour. For to open this safe I have to drill 7 hole and spend 13 hour.
Owe Bengtsson - Gothenburg, Sweden
| Kromer Convar Key Lock|
Found on John Tann Safes
Skip Eckert, CML - Medina, OH
EuroNovum - Scope View|
It is very similar to the earlier Kromer Novum but with more levers and the same foot pattern as a 6730.
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Corporation Bank Vault|
With S&G Indirect Drive Locks
Posted by Skip Eckert on March 20, 1998 at 19:26:00: I went out Wednesday evening to open the Kumahira vault. Time lock malfunction. It was around the Michigan - Ohio border. The two combination locks were working okay and there was a little play in the door. It had to be time lock or a relock. They had been having trouble with the time lock. One of the three movements had been stuck on 23 hours for weeks. After listening with an amplifier (and hearing nothing) I tried rocking the handle some more and listened again. Still nothing. The local safe guys had tried shocking the door and handle all day to no avail.
After skinning the door I choose a place to drill the hole about where I expected to find the time lock. It was an easy hole to drill. Took about ten minutes to go through the steel skin and five inches of concrete. I broke though and stuck in a scope only to find the bright light from the tip of my scope reflecting back towards me! Glass! At first I was just relieved that I had not hit the glass with my bit. After that I was wondering what I was going to do next. I decided to put a lot more effort into getting one of the movements to start by shaking the handle. It eventually paid off and I could hear the ticking of a time clock in the background. Several hours past and the door had not yet opened so we decided to call it a night and come back at 8 AM the next morning to see if it had wound down. It was about 3 AM already. When we showed up at 8 AM it was still ticking but not open. About this time I found out there was another branch just a few miles down the street with the exact same vault. I went over there and took some measurements while I was waiting for the time locks to run down. While over there I was informed that if the vault did not open in the next hour or two I was to open the vault by any means necessary. This would involve pinning the relocks and breaking the glass plate which was about 30" by 28". When we got back to the branch I tried the handle one last time and it turned. I was partly relieved and partly crushed as breaking a piece of glass that large would have been something to talk about at the next convention. Anyway, my job was done. There was a tag on the inside of the door. Kumahira/Security Corp. Class 1 Vault. I had thought it was a Collier when I first saw it. It had FOUR relocks off the glass. All were interconnected and all cross-locked. You can wake up now Phil!
|Lips double bitted lock
via Wesley Taylor - Belfast, Ireland|
I'm trying to send a photo I took today with my new digital camera. I'm curious to see how it comes up on Clearstar. It's a Lips lock, double bitted, 14 lever, 7 either side and is used on many Chubb safes.
BTW these relocks cross lock, and this safe is some kinda hybrd Lord sold by Maximum out in Ca.
The two relocks in the middle are held toghter by one wire loop that runs through a hole in the bridge. Between the cable off the glass and that loop, there is a tension adjuster. When the glass broke the adjuster turned sideways and didn't come through the hole, thus not allowing the relocks to do their job.
|MacNeale and Urban|
|MacNeale and Urban - another one|
|MacNeale and Urban Bankers Chest|
|Mas Hamilton X-07 - Photo
Mas Hamilton X-07 - Photo B
|Mosler Circular Vault,
circa 1930, Yale quad w/ M movements and Mosler #14 combinations. |
from Ron Snively3 more photos
Double Door (1 of 3 Photos) from Tommy Hunt|
Mosler Double Door (2 of 3 Photos)
Mosler Double Door (3 of 3 Photos)
Phil Shearer & Skip Eckert
|Mustang Gun Safe|
Sent in by Vic Szilard - Fort Mohave, AZ
|NCR - atm|
NCR - atm - close-up
from Ron Jewell
Sent in by Dave Franchuk
|Schwab money chest|
Sent in Phil Shearer - Lock Defeat Technology
|Sentry, electronic safe|
Sent in Skip Eckert, CML - Medina, OH
|S&G 6400/6500 series
Sent in by Skip Eckert, CML - Medina, OH
|S & G Guard Key Codes|
|S&G Spy-proof dial|
I ran into an unusual spy-proof dial on a very old Gardall fire safe which used a SG 6709 hand change lock. Anyone know if S&G made this or someone else? It has an opening for the change mark which is not needed for this lock. I have never seen a Gardall with a 6709 on it either. Anyone else seen either of these oddballs?
Phil (Chowder Boy)
s&g part #6957, #6957A had a locking flap, circa 1954. shown in their catalog #CL56, page 30 along with a similar dial shield #6958 or 6958A.
Steve Williams, CPL - Concord, CA
|Sisco - Protector|
Sent in by Skip Eckert
Posted by Skip Eckert on March 14, 1998 at 14:33:45: Congrats to Ron & Eggster on winning the What safe is Phil dying on contest. Ron & the Eggman correctly guessed that Phil Shearer was dying on an SLS safe. SLS was an English safe company that went out of business about ten years ago. They made some excellent high security safes, many of which found there way into the US market. All SLS (Security Lock & Safe) safes used an SLS Mutistump keylock (if it used a keylock at all). The multistump was a seven lever, single bitted keylock usually mounted VD and sometimes VD but never LH or RH. The lock is very pickable (with practice and a good pick). Stay tuned for another game of "What Safe Is Phil Dying On!" Skip
Another SLS - Photo
While this is not the same SLS safe that Phil was dying on it is similar. This safe has two multistump locks on it. Using two of Phil's cheezy picks someone who looks very much like me picked this safe open.
Another SLS - Photo
|T. J. Sullivan|
|Unknown - in Greece |
Sent in by Dutch Van Vranken, CPS, CJS - Bemidji, MN
|Vacuum Press - Skip Eckert's|
3 Combo Locks|
Sent in by Skip Eckert
Rectangular container of water out of an old old A.M. Steam fire safe.
Dave LaBarge, CPS, CML - Watervliet, NY
|York Canonball opened by
Mike Potter |